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		<title>Parent Groups in the News Round-up &#8211; 8/28/10</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Gundlach</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Parent Involvement]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hope everyone had a great week. Thanks to those who replied to my Facebook request and sent along article links! Here's the top-line of the most interesting articles of the week.<div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/parent-involvement/2010/08/28/parent-groups-in-the-news-round-up-82810/' addthis:title='Parent Groups in the News Round-up &#8211; 8/28/10 '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope everyone had a great week. Thanks to those who replied to my <a href="http://www.facebook.com/ptotoday" target="_blank">Facebook</a> request and sent along article links!Here&#8217;s the top-line of Â the most interesting articles of the week:</p>
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<li>PTO organizes a <a href="http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x1442551610/PTO-fundraiser-will-help-meet-teachers-needs" target="_blank">classroom kit project</a></li>
<li>Fun <a href="http://www.scntx.com/articles/2010/08/26/news_update/296.txt" target="_blank">teacher appreciation idea</a></li>
<li>Nice <a href="http://jacksonville.com/community/st-johns/2010-08-26/story/st-johns-sun-difference-maker-wards-creek-elementary-pto" target="_blank">interview with a dedicated PTO president</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.theindependent.com/articles/2010/08/23/news/local/12229596.txt" target="_blank">Awesome reading program</a></li>
<li>Excellent efforts to <a href="http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/indiana/local-pta-says-it-takes-community-support-to-educate-children " target="_blank">get more dads involved</a> (Here&#8217;s Tim&#8217;s take on dads involvement: <a href="http://www.ptotoday.com/pto-today-articles/article/718-dads-are-different" target="_self">http://www.ptotoday.com/pto-today-articles/article/718-dads-are-different</a>)</li>
<li>Parent group <a href="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/08/25/1634296/ardrey-kell-high-switches-to-ptso.html" target="_blank">making changes in the new school year</a></li>
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<p>And finally a question: Is your group employing <a href="http://www.ptotoday.com/pto-today-articles/article/395-5-smart-financial-controls" target="_self">smart financial controls</a>? These articles will give you the nudge you need to make it happen!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldpalladium.com/articles/2010/08/25/local_news/1819334.txt" target="_blank"> http://www.heraldpalladium.com/articles/2010/08/25/local_news/1819334.txt</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldpalladium.com/articles/2010/08/25/local_news/1819334.txt" target="_blank"></a><br />
<a href="http://www.news-leader.com/article/20100825/NEWS01/8250436/1007/NEWS01/Arraignment-for-accused-ex-PTA-president-postponed-to-Oct.-19" target="_blank"> http://www.news-leader.com/article/20100825/NEWS01/8250436/1007/NEWS01/Arraignment-for-accused-ex-PTA-president-postponed-to-Oct.-19</a></p>
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		<title>A Bit of a PTA Rant</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven'™t done this in a  while, but sometimes quotes from state and national PTA leaders can get my Irish up.  An article from Virginia has several quotes that fit that bill.<div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/pto-vs-pta/2010/03/26/a-bit-of-a-pta-rant/' addthis:title='A Bit of a PTA Rant '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I havenâ€™t done this in a  while, but sometimes quotes from state and national PTA leaders can get my Irish up.  An <a href="http://www2.orangenews.com/ocn/news/local/education/article/schools_may_find_strength_in_numbers_with_pta/54076/" target="_blank">article from Virginia</a> has several quotes that fit that bill.</p>
<p>What I find especially disconcerting is that the PTA officials quoted are â€“ at best â€“ exaggerating and â€“ at worst â€“ outright misleading.  Why the need for the misdirection?</p>
<p>The first quote is from the Virginia state PTA president and says:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Plus, PTAs have more parent involvement than schools with PTOs because [youâ€™re] able to learn from other schools.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>There is just not a single shred of evidence that says that PTA schools have more parent involvement than PTO schools. Not one. There are tons of PTA schools with really strong involvement and tons of PTO schools with the same.  The opposite is also true.  If anything, we do hear stories about <a href="http://blogs.sltrib.com/politics/2009/02/utah-were-number-one.htm" target="_blank">parents purposefully staying away at PTA schools because of issues with PTA national politics</a>. But those are infrequent.  The fundamental truth is that there is no connection between your acronym and your involvement â€“ that involvement comes from how your group and how your school and parents operate, and thatâ€™s completely independent from any acronym.  (Additional small peeve â€“ PTOs *do* share ideas with other schools.  Our magazine, for example, goes to virtually every K-8 school in the country, PTOs and PTAs, 7 times per year. Plus our website, our email newsletters, our conferences, etc.)</p>
<p>The second quote comes from Chuck Saylors of national PTA regarding PTA dues:</p>
<blockquote><p>â€śFor every $1.75 sent out the door, you get $3.75 back in resources.â€ť</p></blockquote>
<p>Thatâ€™s a new one. Not sure how he figures that math. Heâ€™s also conveniently leaving out state dues and (which often are higher than national dues) and even county dues.  It absolutely costs more than $1.75 per member for a unit to be a PTA.  Nearly all of the groups who leave PTA tell us they do so because they feel they arenâ€™t getting enough value for the dues dollars spent.  The average PTA sends about $1,000 â€śout the doorâ€ť to state and national PTA.</p>
<p>Finally, Mr. Saylors is correct that becoming a 501c3 costs $750 right now with the IRS.  But he also fails to mention that thatâ€™s a one-time cost, whereas that $1,000 to PTA (or whatever a localâ€™s dues total is) is annual and is due each year.  Thatâ€™s not a huge deal, but itâ€™s another small example of the the angling or misdirection.</p>
<p>The PTA option may be right for these Virginia groups or it may not be â€“ thatâ€™s really up to them and what theyâ€™re looking to achieve and how theyâ€™re looking to operate.  I know they can do amazing work in both formats.  I just think national PTA and state leaders should sell their benefits on the actual merits, rather than trying to spin groups into affiliation.</p>
<p>We have an entire <a href="http://www.ptotoday.com/boards/14-pto-v-pta">message board on PTO v PTA</a> with tons of good, thoughtful opinions on both sides.  Glad to continue the discussion over there.</p>
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		<title>Texas District Takes Stand Against PTAs and Dues</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Texas at least, this is a bit of a man-bites-dog story, as this Del Valle district is enforcing a rule specifically banning formally-affiliated PTA groups from its campus<div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/pto-vs-pta/2009/10/28/texas-district-takes-stand-against-ptas-and-dues/' addthis:title='Texas District Takes Stand Against PTAs and Dues '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Texas at least, this is a bit of a man-bites-dog story, as this <a href="http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/education/entries/2009/10/20/del_valle_school_district_offi.html">Del Valle district is enforcing a rule specifically banning formally-affiliated PTA groups from its campus</a>.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s especially unusual since the Texas state PTA has been aggressive in promoting exactly the opposite policies, trying to get local school boards to make PTA the default choice in their schools. I give the Del Valle super credit for guts, as itâ€™s often so much easier to give in to the organized PTA in a state like Texas than it is to stand up for a concepot that doesnâ€™t have an organizational backing (PTOs are stand-alone). The Del Valle reasoning is same as most of the groups we see going PTO â€“ why should parents have to pay dues to belong to the parent group at their own childâ€™s school? Â Itâ€™s a good question.</p>
<p>While <em>some</em> PTOs choose to charge dues; <em>all PTAs</em> must charge dues. Â Itâ€™s a fundamental difference. Â In the end, my conclusion is the same: Â Iâ€™m for parent groups and involvement, no matter the acronym. Â Did find this article intriguing, though.</p>
<p>Two quick notes: Â 1. <a href="/pto-today-articles/article/292-pto-vs-pta-whats-the-difference">Our PTO v PTA page</a> sheds even more light on the issue; and 2. <a href="/events/expo_learn_more.html#Houston">Our PTO Expo is actually coming to Texas</a> (among other places) this spring. Â Iâ€™ll be giving a keynote at the Texas event on best PTO and PTA habits.</p>
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		<title>PTO v PTA Stories in the News</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems thereâ€™s a lot of PTO v PTA action these days. Â Iâ€™ve certainly been getting more than the usual number of emails and calls. And the news media has picked up the story several times of late. <div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/pto-vs-pta/2009/09/28/pto-v-pta-stories-in-the-news/' addthis:title='PTO v PTA Stories in the News '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems thereâ€™s a lot of PTO v PTA action these days. Â Iâ€™ve certainly been getting more than the usual number of emails and calls. And the news media has picked up the story several times of late. Â The latest is a comprehensive <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/27/AR2009092702891.html" target="_blank">feature in Washington Post on two high schools going PTO</a> in Virginia and the related membership trends in that area. Â The number that jumps out at me is that both those groups had 1,000 members. Wow. Â Huge groups, but 1,000 members also means $3,000 per group in dues paid to state and national PTA. Â Average PTA unit pays roughly $1,000 in dues. Â  (Note: youâ€™ll find another fairly long take on the <a href="http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=333014&amp;paper=72&amp;cat=104" target="_blank">Woodson High PTA going PTO</a> in this local paper coverage.)</p>
<p>And a third <a href="http://www.chesterfieldobserver.com/news/2009-09-16/home/003.html" target="_blank">Virginia PTA going PTO</a> is covered in this smaller article.</p>
<p>This Michigan feature looks at the whole PTO v PTA issue with the main conclusion that <a href="http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2009/09/pta_vs_pto_same_goals_but_diff.html" target="_blank">both groups do great work for kids</a>. Â We agree!</p>
<p>Obviously, itâ€™s a lively issue. Â Whether youâ€™re a PTA thinking about switching to PTO or a PTO thinking about going PTA or even a brand new group deciding on a format, <a href="http://www.ptotoday.com/pto-vs-pta-differences-at-a-glance">our new PTO and PTA Differences at a Glance chart</a> should be a big help.</p>
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		<title>PTA Switches to PTO to &#8220;Involve the Whole Community&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting analysis from this group in Massachusetts, as they make the switch from PTA to PTO. The biggest reason: they wanted to include everyone and get rid of the "who's a member and who's not a member" idea. Also felt that perceived PTA fundraising restrictions were getting in their way.<div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/pto-vs-pta/2009/08/31/pta-switches-to-pto-to-involve-the-whole-community/' addthis:title='PTA Switches to PTO to &#8220;Involve the Whole Community&#8221; '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis from this group in Massachusetts, as <a href="http://www.newburyportnews.com/punews/local_story_239233250.html">they make the switch from PTA to PTO</a>. The biggest reason: they wanted to include everyone and get rid of the &#8220;who&#8217;s a member and who&#8217;s not a member&#8221; idea. Also felt that perceived PTA fundraising restrictions were getting in their way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been a fan of the no-dues model for PTOs (not allowed for PTAs and optional for PTOs) for that very reason, seems funny to me that parents have to pay dues to belong to the parent group at their own children&#8217;s school. Â My column on <a href="https://www.ptotoday.com/pto-today-articles/article/465-just-say-no-to-dues">saying no to dues for parent groups and PTOs and PTAs is here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Mass PTA, State School Board and Controversy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[op/ed in yesterdayâ€™s Boston Herald on still-controversial PTA-dedicated seat on state board of education. As far as I know, Massachusetts (my home state) is the only state in country with such an arrangement for PTA, which is curious considering that Massachusetts schools are very nearly the least PTA-centric schools in the country (far, far more PTOsÂ  than PTAs in the Bay State).<div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/parent-involvement/2009/08/20/mass-pta-state-school-board-and-controversy/' addthis:title='Mass PTA, State School Board and Controversy '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">Tough <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1191935">op/ed in yesterdayâ€™s Boston Herald on still-controversial PTA-dedicated seat on state board of education</a></span><a href="http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1191935">.</a> As far as I know, Massachusetts (my home state) is the only state in country with such an arrangement for PTA, which is curious considering that Massachusetts schools are very nearly the least PTA-centric schools in the country (far, far more PTOsÂ  than PTAs in the Bay State).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The article get a few items wrong, in my opinion, especially where it equates PTOs with bake sales and implies that local PTAs donâ€™t do that kind of work.Â  Fact on that count is that local unit PTAs and local PTOs are virtually the same on the types of activities they run.Â  Both great and generous and enthusiastic supporters of their schools and kids.Â  This political bent is typically reserved for the state and national levels of PTA.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Will continue to follow this story.Â  Is surprising that the PTA appointee is implying that parentsâ€™ own voices should be over-ridden by those who supposedly know better.Â  Thatâ€™s the kind of approach schools have taken for far too long and that parent involvement experts (the PTA among them) have been trying to change.Â  Hopefully, it was a mis-characterization of Ms. Kaplanâ€™s point of view.</p>
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		<title>Iowa PTA membership numbers &#8212; interesting discussion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ran across this article about membership in Iowa's PTA groups andÂ Â the interesting discussion that follows.  Good look at trends in Iowa state PTA membership (down to 13,000 members from 24,000 15 years ago).
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ran across this <a href="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090803/NEWS02/908030319">article about membership in Iowa&#8217;s PTA groups</a> andÂ Â the interesting discussion that follows.  Good look at trends in Iowa state PTA membership (down to 13,000 members from 24,000 15 years ago).</p>
<p>Author, though, makes the classic mistake of equating lower PTA membership with less parent involvement in Iowa, when lower PTA membership really just means lower PTA membership.  Odds are that a huge chunk of that decline is groups leaving the PTA to form independent PTOs.  When that happens, involvement isn&#8217;t less; it just has a different name.</p>
<p>Also worth taking a read of the comments section. Good insight there as to what you&#8217;re up against (and how groups are often perceived) in trying to engage more parents.  Is your group viewed as a clique? The answer to that question  I actually wrote a <a href="http://www.ptotoday.com/pto-today-articles/article/380">column on this clique topic</a> a couple of years back.</p>
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		<title>National PTA Stats Updated</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The annual national PTA convention, which ends today in Florida, is always a good marker for tracking financial performance ofÂ the well-known national non-profit for past year.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The annual national PTA convention, which ends today in Florida, is always a good marker for tracking financial performance ofÂ the well-known national non-profit for past year.</p>
<p>From my reading of various public documents, a few key items:</p>
<p>Membership &#8211; 5.16 million in 23,094 units.Â  Membership year earlier = approx. 5.4 million.</p>
<p>Revenue of national PTA = $12.5 million.Â  Revenue year earlier = $13.2 million.Â </p>
<p>Expenses of national PTA = 13.2 million. Expenses year earlier = $13.1 million.</p>
<p>Net realized and unrealized loss on PTA investments (fancy term for stock market losses) in past year = $3.6 million.Â Â  (I think everyone who has a 401k knows that pain this past year. Ouch.)Â  Still a good chunk of assets ($14 million) as safety net even after that loss.</p>
<p>National PTA Employee Count 2009Â = 81.Â  2008 = 73.Â </p>
<p>My reading:Â  Expenses and employee count going up is going to be a tough mix with membership still going down.Â  It&#8217;s been several years now since last national dues increase.Â Â Next increaseÂ has to at least be under consideration.Â  Was surprised that there seemed to be little if any questions re: these financials at the national meeting.</p>
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		<title>Another parent group theft story, big one</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Gundlach</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This time the stealing from the PTA</a> was done by a couple! Ugh. When the parents atÂ Erdenheim Elementary School in Erdenheim, PA, decided to switch from a PTA to PTO an audit was done and numbers just weren't adding up... to the tune of $17,000! Ouch. Unfortunately, this group learned the hard way about the importance of fiscal controls in PTOs and PTAs.<div class="addthis_container"><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://www.ptotoday.com/ptoblog/pto-vs-pta/2009/06/26/another-parent-group-theft-story-big-one/' addthis:title='Another parent group theft story, big one '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This time the <a href="http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2009/06/23/ambler_gazette/doc4a4120bade877416536722.txt">stealing from the PTA</a> was done by a couple! Ugh. When the parents atÂ Erdenheim Elementary School in Erdenheim, PA, decided to switch from a PTA to PTO an audit was done and numbers just weren&#8217;t adding up&#8230; to the tune of $17,000! Ouch. Unfortunately, this group learned the hard way about <a href="http://www.ptotoday.com/pto-today-articles/article/348-preventing-theft--why-its-crucial">the importance of fiscal controls in PTOs and PTAs. </a></p>
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		<title>The Dangers of Politics for PTOs and PTAs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This heated debate about a PTOs role in a local education voteÂ from a Connecticut website is interesting on several levels.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This <a title="Connecticut PTO poitics" href="http://www.woodstockctcafe.com/2009/06/08/response-to-a-%E2%80%9Chealthy-debate%E2%80%9D-by-anthony-walker/" target="_blank">heated debate about a PTOs role in a local education voteÂ </a>from a Connecticut website is interesting on several levels.</p>
<p>First, it&#8217;s a real look into the passions that are so much a part of local politics, especially around schools. I give credits to both sides here for their engagement.Â  Much better than the opposite (apathy).</p>
<p>But the debate captures very well what almost inevitably happens when the local PTO or PTA gets actively involved on one side or the other of a political issue. Politics by definitionÂ are divisive.Â  And groups that take political stands need to do so expecting acrimony.</p>
<p>The PTO critic in the linked debate captures the danger:</p>
<blockquote><p>I did not know that my children were being used to raise money for an organization that can advocate for anything. I would be happy to have my kids raise money for the WEF, since they have it in their by-laws that they can not advocate for any political issue. Whether we like it or not, and I donâ€™t, this has become a political issue.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for a long time that the vast majority of parents/members of local PTOs and PTAs don&#8217;t think of the parent group as a political organization.Â They think of it as a parent involvement and community-building and support organization.Â  This debate captures that fairly well.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t have a problem with this Connecticut PTO.Â  Sounds like they have a very active, successful group and they were above board in their work here.Â  We&#8217;ve worked with many groupsÂ (PTAs obviosulsy and also many PTOs) who do feel like politics is part of their function, especially on school issues.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s my observation thatÂ political workÂ and &#8220;grow community/build involvement at school&#8221; goialsÂ are often in direct conflict withÂ one another.Â  Good for PTOs to be fully aware of that before heading down the political path.Â </p>
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